{"id":6401,"date":"2010-01-19T05:00:37","date_gmt":"2010-01-19T03:00:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/en\/?p=6401"},"modified":"2018-05-24T12:05:59","modified_gmt":"2018-05-24T09:05:59","slug":"02-19-05","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/en\/02-19-05\/","title":{"rendered":"05 – When Is the Amidah Repetition Not Recited?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Situations arise in which there is no time to pray a silent Amidah<\/i> first and then recite an Amidah<\/i> repetition. For example, sometimes a number of people must leave for work and without them there is no minyan<\/i>. In such cases, the Amidah<\/i> repetition is not recited. In order to ensure that their prayer will be in a minyan<\/i>, everyone prays silently together. So as not to miss Kedushah<\/i>, the chazan<\/i> starts reciting the first three berachot<\/i> aloud, the congregation responds to Kedushah<\/i>, and the chazan<\/i> and the congregation continue from Birkat<\/i> Attah Chonen<\/i> to pray the rest of the Amidah<\/i> silently (Rama<\/i> 124:2).<\/p>\n

Likewise, in a small minyan<\/i>, in which some of the members greatly prolong their prayer and the others find it difficult to wait until they have finished, since they are rushed to be on their way, they are permitted to forgo Chazarat HaShatz<\/i>. Instead, the chazan<\/i> recites the first three berachot<\/i> aloud in order to recite Kedushah<\/i>. Although we learned that in extenuating circumstances it is permissible to recite Chazarat HaShatz<\/i> while a few of the nine are still standing in prayer, nevertheless, l’chatchilah<\/i> it is preferable not to enter into this uncertainty and to forgo the recital of the Amidah<\/i> repetition altogether.<\/p>\n

When there is a minyan<\/i> whose members normally chatter and there is concern that there may not be nine men responding Amen<\/i> to <\/i>the chazan<\/i>, there is reason to consider canceling Chazarat HaShatz<\/i>. Perhaps it would be best to forgo its recital in order to reduce the desecration of Hashem\u2019s Name caused by the talking during the Amidah<\/i> repetition. Still, the prevalent minhag<\/i> is not to cancel the Amidah<\/i> repetition in a place that people normally chatter during the prayer service. All these laws must be decided by the local rabbi.[4]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n

When the chazan<\/i> begins reciting the first three berachot<\/i> out loud, there are two customs as to when the congregation starts to recite the silent Amidah<\/i>. Some are accustomed to start after the chazan<\/i> finishes Birkat<\/i> HaKel HaKadosh<\/i> (Mishnah Berurah<\/i> 124:8), and others are accustomed to starting to pray along with the chazan<\/i> (Kaf HaChaim<\/i> 124:10). It seems that it is best to recommend starting to pray with the chazan<\/i> in Shacharit<\/i> so as not to pause in the middle of Birkat<\/i> Emet V\u2019Yatziv<\/i>. In Minchah<\/i>, it is best that whoever normally prolongs his prayer starts to pray with the chazan<\/i> so that he can conclude his prayer and respond to the Kaddish<\/i> after it. Concerning a person who is used to praying quickly, it is best that he starts praying after the chazan<\/i> concludes \u201cHaKel HaKadosh<\/i>.\u201d[5]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n

When Chazarat HaShatz<\/i> is not recited in Shacharit<\/i>, and there are Kohanim<\/i> present, in order not to lose out on Birkat Kohanim<\/i>, it is best that the Kohanim<\/i> wash their hands before praying and stand to recite the Amidah<\/i> in the place in which they normally raise their hands to recite Birkat Kohanim<\/i>. When the chazan<\/i> reaches Birkat<\/i> Retzeh<\/i>, he begins to pray aloud again, so that the Kohanim<\/i> can bless Israel after the conclusion of Birkat<\/i> Modim<\/i>. Whoever is reciting the same berachah<\/i> in his silent Amidah<\/i> should respond Amen<\/i> to it (see Mishnah Berurah<\/i> 128:71).<\/p>\n

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[4]<\/a>.\u00a0The Radbaz<\/i> (section elef<\/i> 165) writes that the Rambam<\/i> cancelled the silent prayer due to the people who chattered during the Amidah<\/i> repetition. He instructed the chazan<\/i> to recite the prayer aloud, and the well-versed to pray silently with him. However l’chatchilah<\/i>, it is clearly proper to pray twice, as the Chachamim<\/i> instituted. See Yalkut Yosef<\/i> 124:17 and Yechaveh Da\u2019at<\/i> 3:16 who summarize the obligation to recite Chazarat HaShatz<\/i> and conclude that if there is concern that there will not be nine people to respond Amen<\/i>, it is preferable not to recite Chazarat HaShatz<\/i> at all.<\/p>\n

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[5]<\/a>.\u00a0The <\/span>minhag<\/i> of the <\/span>Ashkenazim<\/i> is that the congregation starts their <\/span>Amidah<\/i> after <\/span>Birkat<\/i>HaKel HaKadosh<\/i>, and according to the Sephardic custom, the congregation starts along with the <\/span>chazan<\/i>. The basis for this difference is in how each custom relates to the <\/span>berachah<\/i> of <\/span>Hakel HaKadosh<\/i>. The <\/span>poskim<\/i> disagree as to whether the halachah follows the <\/span>Yerushalmi<\/i>, which maintains that there is special virtue in answering <\/span>Amen<\/i> to the <\/span>berachot<\/i>HaKel HaKadosh<\/i> and <\/span>Shome\u2019a Tefillah.<\/i> According to the <\/span>Rama<\/i>, a person may respond to their recital even if he is in the middle of saying <\/span>Birkot Keriat Shema<\/i>, whereas according to the <\/span>Shulchan Aruch<\/i> 66:3 the law regarding them is like the laws concerning all other <\/span>berachot<\/i> to which we may not respond while in the middle of reciting <\/span>Birkot Keriat Shema<\/i>. Therefore, according to the <\/span>Mishnah Berurah<\/i>, one starts his <\/span>Amidah<\/i> after <\/span>Birkat<\/i>HaKel HaKadosh<\/i> so that he may respond <\/span>Amen<\/i>, and according to the <\/span>Sephardim<\/i>, there is no reason for this. This is clarified in <\/span>Shulchan Aruch<\/i> 109:1.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Even so, I have presented one approach for both Sephardim<\/i> and Ashkenazim<\/i> since there are numerous reasons why even Ashkenazim<\/i> should start with the chazan<\/i> in Shacharit<\/i>: 1) L’chatchilah<\/i>, it is best to abide by the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch<\/i>, <\/i>which rules that one does not answer Amen<\/i> to HaKel HaKadosh<\/i> in the middle of Birkot Keriat Shema<\/i>, and if he starts reciting the Amidah<\/i> with the chazan<\/i>, he avoids this uncertainty. 2) From the standpoint of prayer in a minyan<\/i>, there is virtue in the fact that all ten start praying together as explained in this book, chapter 2, note 2. 3) It is less complicated halachically to respond to Kedushah<\/i> after Birkat<\/i> Mechayei Meitim<\/i> than in the middle of Birkat<\/i> Emet V\u2019Yatziv<\/i>. 4) It is possible that reciting the Amidah<\/i> in a minyan<\/i> together with the chazan<\/i> is considered as responding Amen<\/i> (see Mishnah Berurah<\/i> 109:13-14). In Minchah<\/i>, it is easier to recommend to Ashkenazim<\/i> who normally extend their prayer that they should start with the chazan<\/i> enabling them to respond to the Kaddish<\/i> after the Amidah<\/i>, for certainly its virtue is no less than the virtue of responding Amen<\/i> to HaKel HaKadosh<\/i>. However, for those who shorten their prayer, even according to the Sephardim<\/i> it is good that they start after HaKel HaKadosh<\/i>, so that they will merit answering Amen<\/i> after the berachot<\/i> of Chazarat HaShatz<\/i>, including HaKel HaKadosh<\/i>, which some say possesses special virtue. Another reason for this is so that they will not be idle upon finishing the Amidah<\/i>.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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