{"id":2084,"date":"2016-02-17T21:00:27","date_gmt":"2016-02-17T19:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/fr\/?p=2084"},"modified":"2017-08-10T15:20:24","modified_gmt":"2017-08-10T12:20:24","slug":"02-17-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/fr\/02-17-21\/","title":{"rendered":"21 \u2013 Quelques r\u00e8gles suppl\u00e9mentaires"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Comme nous l\u2019avons vu, il convient a priori d\u2019\u00eatre rigoureux et de se conformer \u00e0 l\u2019opinion du <em>Maguen Avraham<\/em>, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire de ne pas reculer de trois pas \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur d\u2019un rayon de quatre <em>amot<\/em> s\u2019\u00e9tendant devant un fid\u00e8le en pri\u00e8re, m\u00eame si celui-ci ne se tient pas juste derri\u00e8re soi.<\/p>\n<p>Cependant, il arrive que la pri\u00e8re de ce fid\u00e8le, qui s\u2019\u00e9tend plus longtemps, soit perturb\u00e9e, quand celui-ci est ennuy\u00e9 d\u2019emp\u00eacher son prochain, qui se trouve devant lui, de reculer de trois pas. Quand ce dernier s\u2019aper\u00e7oit de cela,\u00a0 il vaut mieux qu\u2019il se conduise selon l\u2019avis du <em>Elya Rabba<\/em>\u00a0: si le fid\u00e8le situ\u00e9 derri\u00e8re lui n\u2019est pas dans l\u2019axe de son dos (voir fig. 3, croquis de droite), il reculera de trois pas.<\/p>\n<p>De m\u00eame, celui qui a l\u2019habitude de r\u00e9citer lentement la \u2018Amida peut demander aux fid\u00e8les plac\u00e9s devant lui de ne pas attendre la fin de sa \u2018Amida pour reculer. De cette mani\u00e8re, il sera permis \u00e0 ces fid\u00e8les de reculer imm\u00e9diatement apr\u00e8s avoir termin\u00e9 leur \u2018Amida. Quant au fid\u00e8le se trouvant juste devant, il pourra reculer en diagonale, afin de ne pas reculer dans l\u2019axe du fid\u00e8le priant lentement<sup><a href='#_te01ftn17_20' id='_te01ftnref17_20' class='aup1'>[20]<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>Quand, derri\u00e8re l\u2019officiant, se tient un fid\u00e8le en pri\u00e8re, et que le moment est venu pour l\u2019officiant de commencer la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition de la \u2018Amida, il se conformera \u00e0 l\u2019avis du<em> Elya Rabba\u00a0<\/em>: tant que l\u2019autre fid\u00e8le n\u2019est pas situ\u00e9 juste derri\u00e8re lui, il reculera. Si l\u2019autre fid\u00e8le se tient v\u00e9ritablement derri\u00e8re l\u2019officiant, ce dernier reculera en diagonale, et reviendra ensuite \u00e0 sa place pour r\u00e9citer la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition<sup><a href='#_te01ftn17_21' id='_te01ftnref17_21' class='aup1'>[21]<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>G\u00e9n\u00e9ralement, quand on sait que l\u2019on prie lentement, il convient de ne pas dire la \u2018Amida derri\u00e8re son prochain afin de ne pas lui causer de d\u00e9sagr\u00e9ment. De m\u00eame, on aura grand soin, dans un tel cas, de ne pas prier derri\u00e8re l\u2019officiant ou le Rav, afin de ne pas les obliger \u00e0 attendre la fin de sa pri\u00e8re (voir ci-dessus chap. 3 \u00a7 7).<\/p>\n<p>De m\u00eame qu\u2019il est interdit de passer devant un fid\u00e8le en pri\u00e8re, de m\u00eame ne faut-il pas passer devant l\u2019officiant lorsque celui-ci r\u00e9cite la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition de la \u2018Amida, ni devant celui qui r\u00e9cite le Qaddich (<em>Kaf Ha\u2019ha\u00efm<\/em> 55, 9).<\/p>\n<p>Les A\u2019haronim sont partag\u00e9s en ce qui concerne le champ de la r\u00e8gle interdisant de passer devant un fid\u00e8le en pri\u00e8re ou de s\u2019asseoir dans ses quatre <em>amot\u00a0<\/em>: cette r\u00e8gle est applicable lorsque le fid\u00e8le est adulte, mais s\u2019applique-t-elle \u00e9galement dans le cas d\u2019un enfant\u00a0? (cf. <em>Arba Amot chel t\u00e9phila<\/em> p. 254-257.) Dans la mesure o\u00f9 cette question est de rang rabbinique, la solution juridique est conforme \u00e0 l\u2019opinion indulgente, mais ceux qui veulent apporter \u00e0 l\u2019application de la loi un soin plus scrupuleux adoptent l\u2019opinion rigoureuse.<\/p>\n<div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div>\n<a href='#_te01ftnref17_20' id='_te01ftn17_20'>[20]<\/a>. Suivant l\u2019approche du <em>Echel Avraham<\/em>, toute la raison d\u2019\u00eatre de l\u2019interdit r\u00e9side dans le d\u00e9rangement caus\u00e9 au fid\u00e8le. D\u2019apr\u00e8s cela, si ce fid\u00e8le sait en son for int\u00e9rieur qu\u2019il serait davantage d\u00e9rang\u00e9 d\u2019emp\u00eacher son voisin de devant de reculer, qu\u2019il ne le serait de le voir pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment reculer, il peut demander \u00e0 celui-ci de reculer sans avoir \u00e0 attendre qu\u2019il termine sa \u2018Amida. Si le fid\u00e8le situ\u00e9 en avant recule en diagonale, de fa\u00e7on \u00e0 ne pas se rapprocher du fid\u00e8le situ\u00e9 derri\u00e8re lui, la chose est permise selon <em>Elya Rabba<\/em> tel qu\u2019expliqu\u00e9 par le \u2018Hazon Ich. Dans la mesure du possible, il sera bon d\u2019am\u00e9nager l\u00e0 une cloison, afin que l\u2019on puisse reculer conform\u00e9ment \u00e0 la majorit\u00e9 des opinions. S\u2019il est difficile \u00e0 celui des fid\u00e8les qui s\u2019\u00e9tend dans sa pri\u00e8re de se concentrer, du fait qu\u2019il a conscience d\u2019emp\u00eacher celui qui se trouve devant lui de reculer, il peut, bien qu\u2019il n\u2019ait pas encore termin\u00e9 sa pri\u00e8re, faire signe \u00e0 l\u2019autre fid\u00e8le de reculer (d\u2019apr\u00e8s <em>Michna Beroura<\/em> 104, 1).<\/li>\n<p><a href='#_te01ftnref17_21' id='_te01ftn17_21'>[21]<\/a>. Les A\u2019haronim divergent dans le cas o\u00f9 le moment de la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition est arriv\u00e9 et o\u00f9, derri\u00e8re l\u2019officiant, se tiennent plusieurs fid\u00e8les en pri\u00e8re, de sorte que, si l\u2019officiant reculait en diagonale, il reculerait de toutes fa\u00e7ons devant un des fid\u00e8les. Selon le <em>\u2018Aroukh Hachoul\u2019han<\/em> 102, 13, l\u2019officiant et le Rav (qui attendent que le fid\u00e8le plac\u00e9 derri\u00e8re eux termine sa pri\u00e8re) peuvent reculer devant ce fid\u00e8le, pour ne pas peser sur l\u2019assembl\u00e9e en la faisant trop attendre. D\u2019autres disent qu\u2019il faut attendre la fin de la \u2018Amida du fid\u00e8le. Selon la majorit\u00e9 des d\u00e9cisionnaires, l\u2019officiant commencera sa r\u00e9p\u00e9tition sans reculer pr\u00e9alablement de trois pas, afin de ne pas peser sur l\u2019assembl\u00e9e en la faisant trop attendre. Cf. <em>Arba Amot chel t\u00e9phila<\/em> 53-54.<\/li>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Comme nous l\u2019avons vu, il convient a priori d\u2019\u00eatre rigoureux et de se conformer \u00e0 l\u2019opinion du Maguen Avraham, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire de ne pas reculer de trois pas \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur d\u2019un rayon de quatre amot s\u2019\u00e9tendant devant un fid\u00e8le en pri\u00e8re, m\u00eame si celui-ci ne se tient pas juste derri\u00e8re soi. 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