{"id":5398,"date":"2026-01-03T09:00:27","date_gmt":"2026-01-03T07:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/fr\/?p=5398"},"modified":"2026-01-20T14:57:00","modified_gmt":"2026-01-20T12:57:00","slug":"10-03-09","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/fr\/10-03-09\/","title":{"rendered":"09. <em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda<\/em>: \u00ab\u00a0l\u2019apr\u00e8s-repas\u00a0\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00c0 l\u2019\u00e9poque des sages du Talmud, il existait une coutume dite <em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda<\/em> (\u00ab\u00a0apr\u00e8s-repas\u00a0\u00bb) consistant \u00e0 d\u00e9cider, \u00e0 un moment donn\u00e9, de l\u2019ach\u00e8vement total du repas. Mais d\u00e8s lors que l\u2019on avait pour intention de rester assis en compagnie des autres convives, on diff\u00e9rait la r\u00e9citation du <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>. Et s\u2019il \u00e9tait apport\u00e9 d\u2019autres aliments, leur consommation \u00e9tait consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme enti\u00e8rement distincte de celle du repas principal\u00a0; de sorte que l\u2019on devait, pour cette consommation annexe, dire la b\u00e9n\u00e9diction initiale et la b\u00e9n\u00e9diction finale. Apr\u00e8s cela, on s\u2019acquittait du reste de son obligation en r\u00e9citant le <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Cependant, de nos jours, il n\u2019est plus d\u2019usage, jusqu\u2019au moment o\u00f9 l\u2019on s\u2019appr\u00eate \u00e0 r\u00e9citer le <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>, de consid\u00e9rer le repas comme enti\u00e8rement achev\u00e9. En effet, tant que nous n\u2019avons pas r\u00e9cit\u00e9 le <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>, il y a encore une possibilit\u00e9 que nous mangions du pain<sup><a id=\"_te01ftnref3_16\" class=\"aup1\" href=\"#_te01ftn3_16\">[16]<\/a><\/sup> (<em>Choul\u2018han \u2018Aroukh<\/em> 177, 2). Et m\u00eame si l\u2019on a chang\u00e9 la nappe, on consid\u00e8re encore que l\u2019on se trouve \u00ab\u00a0\u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur du repas\u00a0\u00bb, puisqu\u2019il se peut encore que l\u2019on veuille manger du pain. De m\u00eame, lors des repas de mariage, lorsque les serveurs d\u00e9barrassent les tables pour terminer leur travail, les invit\u00e9s ne souhaitent pas consid\u00e9rer leur repas comme achev\u00e9 avant que le moment ne soit venu de r\u00e9citer le <em>Birkat hamazon\u00a0<\/em>; il se peut m\u00eame qu\u2019ils veuillent encore manger du pain ou quelque autre aliment, s\u2019il leur en est servi. Aussi, de nos jours, la r\u00e8gle d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne s\u2019applique plus. Et si des desserts sont servis, on en r\u00e9cite la b\u00e9n\u00e9diction initiale, mais non la b\u00e9n\u00e9diction finale (comme nous l\u2019avons vu ci-dessus, \u00a7 6-7)<sup><a id=\"_te01ftnref3_17\" class=\"aup1\" href=\"#_te01ftn3_17\">[17]<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div>\n<p><a id=\"_te01ftn3_16\" href=\"#_te01ftnref3_16\">[16]<\/a>. Ou quelque autre mets.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_te01ftn3_17\" href=\"#_te01ftnref3_17\">[17]<\/a>. Selon <em>Tossephot<\/em>, le Roch, le Mordekhi et d\u2019autres auteurs (commentant <em>Berakhot <\/em>41b), la r\u00e8gle dite d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda<\/em> s\u2019applique lorsqu\u2019on a d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de \u00ab\u00a0retirer ses mains du pain\u00a0\u00bb. Selon les disciples de Rabb\u00e9nou Yona, le Rachba et le <em>Or\u2018hot \u2018Ha\u00efm<\/em>, la r\u00e8gle s\u2019applique lorsque \u00ab\u00a0la table est \u00f4t\u00e9e de devant soi\u00a0\u00bb. (On peut soutenir que ces diff\u00e9rents auteurs ne se contredisent pas, mais que le retrait de la table est le <em>signe<\/em> de ce que l\u2019on n\u2019a plus l\u2019intention de manger du pain. Cf. <em>B\u00e9our Halakha<\/em> 177, 2 \u05d3\u00a0\u00bb\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05df, o\u00f9 il est dit que les Richonim sont partag\u00e9s sur la question de savoir si c\u2019est pour tous les types d\u2019aliment que l\u2019on doit dire, entre la \u00ab\u00a0fin\u00a0\u00bb du repas et le <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>, les b\u00e9n\u00e9dictions initiale et finale.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Mais en pratique, de nombreux Richonim estiment que la r\u00e8gle d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne s\u2019applique pas \u00ab\u00a0en nos contr\u00e9es\u00a0\u00bb (<em>Tossephot<\/em>, Rachba, disciples de Rabb\u00e9nou Yona, Roch et de nombreux autres). Malgr\u00e9 cela, le <em>Beit Yossef<\/em> \u00e9crit, en se r\u00e9f\u00e9rant \u00e0 l\u2019opinion du <em>Tour<\/em> \u2013 et tel est aussi l\u2019avis du <em>Levouch<\/em> et de ceux qui partagent sa th\u00e8se \u2013, que, lors des grands repas festifs, la r\u00e8gle d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>s\u2019applique. Selon le <em>Ba\u00eft \u2018Hadach<\/em>, en revanche, m\u00eame lors de grands repas festifs, cette r\u00e8gle n\u2019est pas en usage, comme il le d\u00e9duit des termes du <em>Choul\u2018han \u2018Aroukh<\/em> 177, 2, lequel ne mentionne pas de distinction entre petits et grands repas.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Le <em>Maguen Avraham<\/em> 7 \u00e9crit, se fondant sur les disciples de Rabb\u00e9nou Yona, que, dans la mesure o\u00f9 il n\u2019y a plus, de nos jours, de retrait de la table \u00e0 la fin du repas, la coutume d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne s\u2019applique plus, quoique l\u2019on ait termin\u00e9 de manger. Certains soutiennent que le retrait de la <em>nappe<\/em> est, de nos jours, du m\u00eame ordre que le retrait de la table jadis (<em>Birkat Hachem<\/em> III 10, note 264)\u00a0; d\u2019autres estiment que cela ne peut se comparer au retrait de la table (<em>Or l\u00e9-Tsion<\/em> II 12, 13). Pour le <em>Kaf Ha\u2018ha\u00efm<\/em> 14, m\u00eame si l\u2019on enlevait la table, la coutume d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne serait plus en usage de nos jours. \u00c0 notre humble avis, puisqu\u2019il a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9cid\u00e9, en raison du doute, que la r\u00e8gle d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne s\u2019appliquait plus, la pens\u00e9e est ancr\u00e9e dans nos esprits que nos repas, m\u00eame quand ils durent tr\u00e8s longtemps, ne s\u2019ach\u00e8vent pas enti\u00e8rement avant la r\u00e9citation du <em>Birkat hamazon<\/em>. D\u00e8s lors, on peut dire avec certitude que la coutume d\u2019<em>A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda <\/em>ne s\u2019y applique pas.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00c0 l\u2019\u00e9poque des sages du Talmud, il existait une coutume dite A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda (\u00ab\u00a0apr\u00e8s-repas\u00a0\u00bb) consistant \u00e0 d\u00e9cider, \u00e0 un moment donn\u00e9, de l\u2019ach\u00e8vement total du repas. Mais d\u00e8s lors que l\u2019on avait pour intention de rester assis en compagnie des autres convives, on diff\u00e9rait la r\u00e9citation du Birkat hamazon. Et s\u2019il \u00e9tait apport\u00e9 d\u2019autres aliments, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[234],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5398","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-10-03"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>09. A\u2018har ha-s\u00e9\u2018ouda: \u00ab\u00a0l\u2019apr\u00e8s-repas\u00a0\u00bb - Pnin\u00e9 Halakha<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/ph.yhb.org.il\/fr\/10-03-09\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"09. 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